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The Legislative Audit Commission will meet to hear the presentation of the key findings and recommendations of the program evaluation, Minnesota Board of Public Defense.

Office of the Legislative Auditor:
Jodi Munson Rodriguez, Deputy Legislative Auditor
Mariyam Naadha, Project Manager

Board of Public Defense:
Kevin Kajer, Chief Administrator
Bill Ward, State Public Defender

PUBLIC VIEWING INFORMATION: This meeting will also be livestreamed via YouTube, which will be closed captioned with automatically generated captions.

TESTIFYING: The Legislative Audit Commission and its subcommittees typically do not take public testimony.

MEETING DOCUMENTS: Materials will be posted on the Office of the Legislative Auditor website in the Notices section as soon as they are available, and posted to our Minutes page soon after.

Livestream link (for public participation): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eDLDM0KYuE

1. Presentation from the Minnesota Fire Initiative (MnFIRE)
   • George Esbensen, CEO, MnFIRE
   • DeeDee Jankovich, Executive Director, MnFIRE
   • Margaret Gavian, PhD. Founder and Director, Blue Peak Consulting 
      
2. Follow-up on October 1^st Meeting
   • Any questions the Work Group has based on what was presented at the last meeting.
   • Discussion and tentative conclusions based on the "Analysis of Retiree Healthcare Costs" by the Commission's actuaries, VIA Actuarial Solutions, at the last meeting.
     • Reminder: this analysis is costing the Commission approximately $21,000.
     • Can the Work Group incorporate the following chart (see pdf of the agenda) from slide 9 of the VIA presentation into its recommendations (keep in mind that the contribute rates are intended to provide the funds needed by a P&F Plan retiree to pay premiums for single coverage in a high-deductible medical plan beginning at age 55)?
        
3. Discussion of H.R.6157 - FORCE Act of 2025, proposed legislation in the US House of Representatives
   • Brian Rice, Attorney, Rice, Walther & Mosley LLP
      
4. Breakout Into Subcommittees (as time permits)
   • Subcommittee Member Lists
   • Subcommittee Grid
   • Subcommittee 1 (health insurance): Columbine Conference Room
     • Co-chair Representative Terry Stier will lead subcommittee 1.
   • Subcommittee 2 (duty disability): COB Conference Room 101
     • Co-chair Shane Myre will lead subcommittee 2.
        
5. Next Meeting: Thursday, October 22, 2026, at 1:00 p.m. Please note that there will not be a meeting on October 15^th.
    
6. Adjourn

Streaming link for public participation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMuE9Pz4Its

1. Follow-up from the September 8 Meeting
   • From Rose Hennessy-Allen, Pension Division Director, Office of the State Auditor
     • Spreadsheet of the impact on liabilities, surplus or deficit, and required municipal contributions of shortening the vesting schedule to 10 years for relief associations that submitted 2025 data as of 9.2026
        
2. Results of the Survey on EMPs and Membership in Firefighter Relief Associations and the SVF Plan
    
3. Discussion of Initial Determinations and Recommendations of the Work Group
   • Mandated Topics for Consideration and Determination
      
4. Future Meeting Dates and Times
    
5. Adjourn

Public viewing is available on YouTube.

1. Roll Call Attendance

2. Approve Minutes
      - Minutes from September 23, 2026

3. For Review: Preliminary Eligible and Prohibited Expenses

      - Preliminary List of Eligible Expenses (as of 9/23/26)
      - Preliminary List of Prohibited Expenses (as of 9/23/26)

4. Discussion and Action: Generally Ineligible Expenses
      - Potential list of Updated Prohibited Expenses

5. Public Testimony
The public is asked to keep their comments brief. If you would like to testify, please contact LCCMR at lccmr@lccmr.mn.gov by 4:00 pm the day before the meeting. Please specify to which agenda item your testimony relates and the form of your testimony (oral or written). The chair will accommodate testimony at the requested agenda item as time allows.

6. Adjourn

TBD